imacowgirltoo
15 years ago
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Jules, you read the info right. It isn't for all colics, but really works if you catch one early.
Thanks for the good words, I will keep you updated on my progress.
tmroperintx - I agree with you on a good feeding program. I personally feed Horseshine by Omegafields, which is an Omega-3 stabilized ground flax seed supplement. The label says it maintains a shiny healthy coat, strong solid hooves, top performance, and will eliminate the need for psyllium. It is great and does everything they say. I think it will prevent my ever having colic to deal with again, but just in case, I have ECR.
Aaaapps - wow, what an idea! I have never heard of the sheet, but before I lost that horse to colic 3yrs ago, I had an idea like that but did not know how to implement it by myself. I tried to rub his tummy, pushed, and pushed, but could not do anything effectively.
Just goes to show how much we can all learn when we share. Thanks all!
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imacowgirltoo,
Sheet trip = 2 ppl and a sheet
1 person on each side with the sheet under the girth, both ppl lift hard for count of 10 relax for 10, move back just a bit, repeat lift/relax until back. Do this 3 times. walk them and start over. It's simple and gets things moving almost everytime before vet arrives.
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my personal opinion is if you feed plain old simple wheat bran in your feed it will keep your horse free and it is pretty cheap, thats my opinion it doesn't take much either.
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i think many of us who grew up around some of the "old" remedies have seen them marketed and show their worth (bacon grease and sulfur for one--just read the ingr. on nu stock or MTG).
imacowgirltoo--i wish you the best in working with this product--with your experience you should be an asset to its distribution and use. please keep us posted even though i pray you never need it!!!! (kind of like a snakebite kit!!!) IMHO anything that has us keeping an open mind to the homeopathic way of treating our horses is a good thing. dosing a horse with this sounds easier and safer (for the horse) than the average horse owner trying to run mineral oil and dmso down to the stomach without aspirating the poor horse....
this ECR does appear to be composed of stuff that would keep a mild colic from becoming a major issue--esp. if the symptoms happen at a show and could be stress related or due to a change in feed schedule or water--again, wisdom comes from experience--each owner knows their horse--or should!!! it seems clear about what it can do and it does not seem to be claiming to fix what surgery/meds should do.........sometimes the colic symptoms start out from a gut that has already twisted, distended near rupture, or started going gangrenous---we all know folks that have to pasture their horses away from the kitchen window---i did this winter for awhile and did not like it!!!!
God bless.......
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imacowgirltoo
15 years ago
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Jules, you have had your share of equine health problems. Those home remedies are pretty good, I'm impressed with your resourcefulness!
I did more research into ECR. They put me in touch with many clients who are now believers in their product. No, it can't help a twist, endolith, or a prolonged colic with severe muscle spasms, but otherwise gut sounds return very quickly and it turns the contents of the stomach into liquid. Magnesium is in there, too, and the mix of Irish sea moss & kelp turns any organic matter into liquid very quickly. Many horses were ridden shortly after the bout ended, without any problems! I would be cautious of that.
Anyway, I for one always try natural products first. I was impressed with the people I spoke with, and I have decided to take out a distributorship for Oklahoma. I have had way too many friends lose their horses, and I want to be able to help them the next time by having it on hand. The horse has only 8 hrs before an impaction will kill him, so this product can start to work while the vet is on his way! :p
--Just call me prepared! LOL
Thanks for the input, ES members are the greatest!
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when you look at the ingredients i am not surprised with the results----we have used a blue/green algae and epsom salts drench with a bit of baking soda and got a good response----but i am talking very, very first stage gas/mild impaction colic---more a bellyache with the important vitals being monitored---good circulation, horse willing to lay quiet, etc. sometimes a trailer ride will get things moving (kind of like walking a colicy baby) as long as it is a mild case and there is not a solid impaction!!!!
had a mare that would colic if you looked at her wrong--and seemed like it was always on a weekend!!!! started sprinkling a bit of the algea/epsom salts on her feed 2-3 times a week and the overall improvement in her digestion was very noticeable not to mention she just seemed to "feel" better!!!! vet chalked it up to the magnesium......
many times a major colic can be warded off just knowing your horse's "normal" habits and routine and taking appropriate action......if he has been up and down a few times and the first thing he does upon rising is look at his belly instead of shaking the dirt off he could be trying to tell you his belly hurts!!!! if he is willing to lay quietly and let you check him over it may just be a case of gas/mild constipation---if he is rolling violently and his pupils are dilated in pain or you do not have an idea of how long he has been in distress----i say load him up and head for the vet!!!!!!!!!! same thing regardless of how quiet he is if his guts are QUIET!!!!!
"In 10 to 20 minutes your horse is going to start feeling better and can continue to eat and drink."
that statement from their website concerns me--a person might think it would be okay to feed their horse immediately---until i am 100% sure what goes in is going to come out i would hold off on feed----maybe give a few sips temperate water....
imacowgirltoo----i do agree that vets can err---this same mare's vet, because of her history, told me when i called him about not being able to even load her because she kept going down (more like just collapsing) that it had to be colic and i should give her the banamine---my gut instinct said no----i dosed her with 1/2 dozen egg whites mixed in mineral oil because i truly felt she was showing symptoms of poisoning---perhaps a little unconventional but i had nothing to lose at that point as her vet could not get out here and i was not waiting for either of the other 2 to return my call----she stood up within 30 minutes and the evidence in the loose manure had me headed for the shrub clippers---the beautyberries had grown back close enough for her to push the fence and she had pigged out on them!!!!!! i choose homeopathic for my animals and myself as much as possible.....
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imacowgirltoo
15 years ago
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The representative says the product comes from Europe & Canada, and resolves about 98% of all colics, including sand, impaction, and gas. Bowel sounds begin to return within 30 min. and it is relieved in 60-90min. in most cases, without the use of pain-killers, which stops the motility of the gut, or mineral oil, which only slicks it up. The horse has only 8 hrs to live once the impaction colic starts.
This homeopathic product liquefies the contents of the stomach and expells it quickly, the only exceptions being a twist or endolith, or a prolonged colic where part of the intesting is already dying.
I watched one of my horses die 3yrs ago from impaction colic, and the vets could not stop it. It was awful, so I will be ready for the next colic if it ever comes! My experiences with natural products have been nothing but great and my experiences with modern vet practices has cost me two great barrel horses, one to founder the other to colic. I wish I had tried home remedies first! I witnessed this working and was surprised it worked so well, since I had not heard of it. I just wondered if anyone on ES had used it or heard of it.
Thanks for your thoughts & comments, I just wanted to share what I had learned.
Vicky
Aaaaps, what is the "SHEET TRIP" ?????
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Colic is a deadly and serious condition in any horse. Time is critical for the recovery of any horse with colic. I would NEVER trust any over the counter remedy for colic. I always call my vet at the first sign of colic.
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I think I would much rather invest in a visit from my vet. The one and only colic that I know about in my herd was a twisted intestine. This would have done nothing for my mare. JMHO. I have helped neighbors and used the sheet trip while waiting for the vet.
I believe aces in their places. I can doctor minor things, but if it's major, Dr. Chris is on his way.
AAA Apps
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Sorry, but you need a vet to diagnose that... thus why I commented on a delay in diagnosis.
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